MSNBC: Red-Faced Over Olbermann's Lincoln Gaffe?

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Knifefight
Obeying President Obama's dictum that it's always educational to check
in with what the other side is saying, I checked in with MSNBC's
Countdown the other night.
  
Sure enough, there was Keith Olbermann himself barking up I will admit,
interesting leftist views on issues A, B, or C. But what got my
attention was, well, a bit of outright, easily verifiable factual
untruth. If we were talking Joe Biden, the word would be gaffe.
It seems Keith, who has never had an easy time with women or blacks in
authority if they have decided to take a stroll off the liberal
plantation, has taken his usual disdain for conservative women and
zeroed in on Nevada's GOP Senate candidate Sharron Angle.
Fair enough. Angle is a Senate candidate and criticism from people like
Olbermann comes with the turf.
  
But what came next was what amazed. If you will follow this link,
nicely provided by our friends at Real Clear Politics, you will see the
Big Guy launch into a side comment Angle made in response to a
questioner on a local radio show. The questioner, clearly an Angle
admirer, had believed her not capable of winning the Senate nomination
and was now confessing his sin. To which Angle replies: "Well, you
know, it's just like Abraham Lincoln. He lost quite a few but he won
the big oneÂ…."
Olbermann, who delights in calling her Sharron "Obtuse" Angle " --
pounced.
  
And promptly shot himself in the foot. Both feet, actually.
Instantly picking up on the Lincoln reference, Olbermann could barely
contain his glee at the notion of Angle as Lincoln.
"Just for the record do you how many elections Abraham Lincoln lost in
his lifetime?" he asked, leering into the camera. With drama
benefitting Gloria Swanson as the fading star in Sunset Boulevard,
Olbermann holds up a solitary finger. Then goes on to say: "The
Illinois state assembly in 1832. He prevailed in four elections for
state assembly, one for Congress, two for presidentÂ…. seven of eight he
won."
  
Ouch. As if this wasn't embarrassing enough -- the blithely unknowing
host ends by saying this, an allusion to the famous Lloyd Bentsen
"I-knew-Jack-Kennedy and Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" line to Dan
Quayle.
  
Said Keith:
"Sharron Angle, I knew Abraham Lincoln's won-loss record and you're no
Abraham Lincoln."
  
Ouch. Ouch. And ouch again. You have to wonder -- was there a single
MSNBC suit sliding under their desk at this point? Did they even know
enough basic American history to know they might wish to consider the
option? Was there anybody who had the guts to say to this barking
fountain of factual error:
  
"No, Keith, you don't know Abraham Lincoln's won-loss record. Not even
close."
  
For the record -- drum roll please -- Sharron Angle was 100% correct in
saying Lincoln lost a "few" elections.
  
Here's Abraham Lincoln's actual score with elections.
  
He did indeed win four state assembly elections, and lose in 1832, just
as Olbermann says. In fact, Abe ran 8th in a field of 13 candidates
back there in 1832.
  
Alas for Keith, who apparently relies on some crackpot if unmentioned
website as opposed to checking with, say, the works of Pulitzer Prize
winning Lincoln biographer Carl Sandburg, Ms. Angle has the goods:
  
Here's Lincoln's record with voters, per Sandburg:
1832 -- Lost his first race for the state assembly
1834 -- Won a seat in the state assembly
1836 -- Won re-election
1838 -- Won re-election
1840 -- Won re-election
1842 -- Lost a race for Congress to John Hardin (per biographer
Sandburg. Lincoln actually came in behind a friend, Edward D. Baker --
losing his own Sangamon County delegates to Baker. Later, he would name
one of his sons for Baker). Lincoln structures deal that Hardin, Baker
and finally himself would each serve back-to-back single terms in
Congress.
1846 -- Wins congressional seat, succeeding his friend Baker, who had
succeeded Hardin. As per the Lincoln deal.
1854 -- Elected again to the Illinois legislature, but loses a race for
the United States Senate to Lyman Trumbull. Writes to a friend: "I
regret my defeat moderately, but I am not nervous about it." Mary
Lincoln was so enraged at this loss that she never again spoke to
Trumbull's wife Julia -- who had been a bridesmaid at Mary and Abe's
wedding.
1856 -- Loses the vice-presidential nomination of the new Republican
Party to William L. Dayton, a former U.S. Senator from New Jersey.
Dayton received 259 votes to Lincoln's 115, becoming the running mate
of John Charles Fremont. Hearing of his defeat, Lincoln laughs and
says, "It must be some other Lincoln."
1858 -- Lincoln loses a race for the United States Senate to legendary
rival Senator Stephen A. Douglas. In the course of the campaign, the
two travel Illinois in what are known to history as the
"Lincoln-Douglas" debates. The debates help make Lincoln -- and his
pro-union, anti-slavery argument -- famous.
1860 and 1864 -- Elected and re-elected president.
  
In other words, Keith Olbermann was not only wrong but so wide of the
truth and the facts as to give Bill Clinton on Monica a good
reputation. Sharron Angle, on the other hand, was right. Making her
remark 100 percent factually correct.
  
Lincoln ran 13 times, according to biographer Sandburg, not eight as
Olbermann said with such assured smugness. Lincoln lost not once, as
Mr. Drama Queen asserted, but, again according to the Pulitzer winning
biographer, five times. Once for the state assembly, once for Congress,
once for vice-president and twice for U.S. Senator. The latter Senate
race famous to this day.
  
None of this would matter a hill of beans for the red-faces at MSNBC if
they weren't pinning so much of their stuff to, say, mocking Glenn Beck
for not knowing what he, Beck, is talking about. One understands
network rivalries. Fox is beating the pants off MSNBC. Which is why
Olbermann goes after Fox or Beck or O'Reilly or, on radio, Rush. If you
can't get the ratings yourself tag on to those who can is the apparent
strategy.
  
Be that as it may -- or maybe especially be this as it may -- one would
think the suits at MSNBC would be smart enough to know that such a
flamboyantly obvious mistake about a basic fact of American history
adds to the network's reputation for not simply being biased but just
shamelessly not telling the truth and caring less about it.
  
Question: Is Keith Olbermann secretly on Sharron Angle and Glenn Beck's
payroll? Come on. Really. How much does Roger Ailes pay him to do this
stuff?
  
Ya just can't make it up.
                                            
Siobhan
Ooooooooooooo.....what a huuuuuuggggggeeeeeeee issue.  It's
mucccccccccchhhh bigger than when Beck calls the President a "racist",
says that empathy leads to Nazism, and proclaims "I am not a
journalist"!  Not to mention Beck's case of "Nazi Tourette's".

Hypocrite, pull the log out of your own eye before pulling the speck
out of your neighbor's.
                                            
NoBody
It is in light of the big stink Loserman made about Sarah Palin's
recent misstatement.
                                            
Walter
Olfermann making a fool of himself on national television in not a big
deal.  It's pretty much SOP.


But, old bean, the current President of the United Staes IS a racist.
                                            
sillapond
Godwins law - canuck exits, stage left.
                                            
David
I did not know that Beck was Canadian.
                                            
trotsky
False.
                                            
sillapond
Fact, you low-grade troll.
                                            
Not
Of course it's true. This trotsky moron is an idiot.
                                            
David
You do understand that Godwin's Law would come into play if someone
was likening Beck to Hitler but does not apply to a situation where
someone is merely mocking Beck for his love of likening people to
Hitler, right?
                                            
trotsky
Exactly.
                                            
sillapond
Exactly stupid you are.
                                            
trotsky
I busted you and made you look like a stupid ass and this is the thanks 
I get?
                                            
sillapond
Really?

When?
                                            
trotsky
Yes, this tired old canard.  Read the post, comment accordingly.  Or, 
admit you are a piece of shit anonymous troll with nothing useful to say.

Next.
                                            
sillapond
Well you are that and more I suspect.
                                            
trotsky
Again, you lack that balls to respond to the gist of the post.  Q'uelle 
surprise.
                                            
sillapond
You Godwin'd yourself and are peeved, too bad.
                                            
Not
You sure get huffy when you lose arguments, don't you, failure? :)
                                            
trotsky
Beats being a sockpuppet and a troll, I guess.  Unfortunately, Godwin's 
law refers to someone comparing someone else to Nazi's, not SOMEONE 
OBSERVING GLENN BECK COMPARING PEOPLE TO NAZI'S YOU STUPID ANONYSHIT TROLL.

Any questions?
                                            
sillapond
Well what DOESN'T beat you then?
                                            
Syvyn11
Point is that Olbermann holds everyone to a extremely high standard except 
himself.   It's time for him to be held to that same standard.
                                            
Eddie
That's because he obviously is, dumbfuck.



"In emotional and personal testimony, an ex-Justice official who quit over 
the handling of a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther 
Party accused his former employer of instructing attorneys in the civil 
rights division to ignore cases that involve black defendants and white 
victims. "

http://tinyurl.com/3x8q42h

"Typical white person"

-Hussein

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."

-Hussein

Hussein's associations:

Rev. Wright, whose church Hussein attended and supported financially for 
over
20 years:

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is
controlled by rich white people."

Rev. Lowery, hand picked by Hussein to deliver the inaugural benediction:

"Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in
the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when
black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when
yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white
will embrace what is right."

Sonia Sotomayor, Hussein's pick for the SC:

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences
would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who
hasn't lived that life."

From Hussein's book:

"White man's greed runs a world in need."

Prof. Gates, anti-white racist who Obama says is a friend of his.

Obama advisor Van Jones:

"Only Suburban White Kids Shoot Up Schools"

"You've never seen a Columbine done by a black child"

"White polluters steered poison into minority communities"

-Eddie Haskell
                                            
Knifefight
It was to Keith, obviously. And, it seems, to you too. lol


Opinion are like assholes, everyone has one. In your case, your asshole
is much more informed than your opinions. lol


Soooo... you're a big fan of Glenn Beck's, huh?  Good for you and him.
lol

What would Keith say? lol
                                            
Siobhan
It was?   What makes you say that?


Well, one could argue you have two.  In fact, we could call you an
asshole with an asshole.


Yes, because my asshole smells just like rightard shit.




He's say, "well, if this is all you've got, you must be more desperate
than I thought".

Meanwhile, every third word out of Hannity's or Limbaugh's mouth is a
lie, and you rightards are happy to give them a pass.
                                            
sillapond
Do you spend much time smelling both?

Canucks are sick.
                                            
Knifefight
He brought it up... and then you did the same, obviously.

Do you drop bread crumbs to find your way back home? lol
 

I do love to destroy the mentally retarded on these groups. Watch !!!
lol


Been sticking a finger down there, have you? lol


"He's say..." ???

Nope, you're not a Glenn Beck fan -- he's way too smart for you. lol
                                            
znuybv
Most people prefer Limbaugh and Hannity over Olbermann.
If you listened to all three of them, you would know why.
                                            
record
No way *anyone* could prefer the sound of Hannity's voice. It's one of
the nastiest sounds in existence. This has nothing to do with
politics. He makes noises like a pig would make, if a pig could talk.
I don't mind the sound of O'Reilly's voice, or Glenn Beck's voice, or
Monica Crowley's voice, but Sean Hannity is the voice over the
loudspeaker when you go to hell after you die.