Mad Men - "The Suitcase" (SPOILERS)

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So Roger did it with Ida "Queen of Perversions" Blankenship?  LOL!
Ida was in Archie Bunker form tonight.  Seriously, I don't think I've
heard a line like her opinion on the fight since "All in the Family"
went off the air. And Cooper lost his balls and Roger's book is called
"Sterling's Gold."  An embarrassment of riches on one brief tape.

I thought the interaction between Peggy and Don was fantastic
throughout.  Did Peggy just get rid of two boyfriends in one night?  I
hope we never see Duck again.

The guys better start picking up after themselves or Mickey will be
partying in the office with his friends every night.  How come a
cleaning crew never seemed to show up?

When I saw Anna with a suitcase, I thought Don was going to come up
with an ad campaign about Samsonite going with you on *all* your
journeys, even your final one.  Now please spare us the Don-seduces-
Stephanie-in-Anna's-house scene.
                                            
Hunter
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I guess Blankenship was a looker back in the late 1930's and obviously
was a cougar in her early 40's I estimate, while Roger must had been
in his early 20's. I'd like to see a picture of the young Blankenship!
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Not at all surprising. "All In The Family" will premier in January of
of 1971 just five and a half  years later, so it is roughly
contemporary. And let's not forget the top of the program when Harry
Crane  said to Dan "You're such a Jew! and then Danny turned it around
and pointed out it was Harry trying to make money from tickets he got
for free.  .
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From what we heard I am sure there are a lot more gems on that reel.
:-)
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It was amazing for both of them Moss and Hamm. I was HATING Don during
that ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD for anyone's else's personal life because he
doesn't have one!!! I wanted to kill the guy for making Peggy cry!
ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD for the work put out by others. From what I heard
Peggy and Don describe the creative proses for the Glo-Coat commercial
it sounded fifty fifty to me, but of course there are no credits in
commercials so the top creative partner gets all the glory.

While I wanted to reach through the TV and strangle Don Draper I
noticed that Jon Hamm did a GREAT performance chewing out Peggy. His
face actually turned RED!! I hope you have a color TV because.....oh
wait a minute, it is really 2010 and not 1965, sorry!!! :-)

It is ironic that just a couple of days ago I said I thought Byran
Cranston of breaking Bad got the Emmy win because he had more to do on
his show to show his acting range. Maybe just maybe if the Emmy judges
saw that clip if not the entire episode Hamm would had gotten a Emmy
to go along with Don's Clio! :-)  The episode was pretty action
packed, even more so than the "Chrysanthemum and the Sword". The show
as great before but the writers have really stepped up the action this
season. I wonder if that is supposed to for shadow the conflict of the
rest of the '60's. Before everything was tranquil, now more of the
characters are at each other's throats more and more, but without
lasting effects. Peggy and Don's row didn't last a few minutes.
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One boyfriend that is Peggy's usual type and Ducky who thought he was
still Peggy's boyfriend but I got the felling that that affair end
quite some time ago. Ducky just didn't want to let go. And yes we will
see Duck again and he was a pig!!! He almost took a dump in Roger's
office thinking it was Don's LOL! I did enjoy Duck kicking Don's ass
even if he was defending Peggy's honor. I was still a little mad at
Don even if Peggy and Don made up so I am glad Ducky made Don say
"Uncle" with his "I killed 17 men on Okinawa!" resume! How many men
did Dick kill in Korea? Probably none. I wonder what started Ducky's
down hill spiral? The last that was shown of him before his drunken
outburst at the Clio's he was in bed with Peggy during the Kennedy
Assassination and seemed to be doing quite well for himself. Now he's
fired. Obviously Peggy isn't going to go with him to his ghost firm
with no accounts and his name in the industry being the same thing he
tried to leave in Roger's office.  

Ducky is an alcoholic-which seemed to be a sub theme in the episode
with everyone drinking  Freddy and some other guy recovering; Roger in
denial along with Don; Don even got Peggy drinking more than.  
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Actually we saw a glimpse of the janitor just when Peggy was going
into the ladies to cry.
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I thought so exactly myself!!! Although when we all heard Peggy
running through ideas with Don shooting them down mercilessly some
with good reason like federal law being against deceptive
advertising-I kept thinking GORILLA! GORILLA!  Not Joe Namath, a
Gorilla! 
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I like to think he would be above that given the circumstances but I
am not confident I admit!! I was moved when Don broke down. I was he
was desperately trying to hold it in when he was on the phone with
Stephanie. When he looked up at Peggy I saw Peggy' face  with contempt
saying "another girlfriend!" Then he breaks and says to a concerned
Peggy he lost the only person who knew him. Now he feels alone.

The friendship between Peggy and Don is stronger than ever now.   I
think it is safe to say that that hand hold with Peggy wasn't a pass
but a genuine  feeling of affection, and gratitude to her, one that
his personality could never say to her out loud.

Other thing that sealed their friendship: We sure got a lot of shots
of the Men's and Women's bathrooms at SCDP. That was a long purge Don
had I am surprise he didn't tear his stomach lining! :-) And when Don
was using Peggy's nice thighs as a pillow did Peggy's hand brush
against Don's vomit stain on his shirt!?!? Ewwwwwwww! :-0

And Don is right she is attractive, Not a head turner like Joan maybe
but she is very pretty. Maybe just maybe there is romance possible
between them. She did go out with Ducky after all who isn't her usual
type. Our maybe Peggy is just the new Anna now. I won't be surprised
that one day Don will tell him who he really is and what happened. I
think Don will want at least one person in the world to know him.
                                            
Ronnie
I think that was the most realistic vomit sounds I've ever heard in a 
film/series. Usually, the sound has nothing to do with reality -- sort 
of a "hacking cough," without any icky sound of gushing liquid....

Fantastic episode, and probably the series' best showcase of both Moss's 
and Hamm's acting abilities. I did think the hallucination of Anna with 
the suitcase was a bit sappy, though -- I was surprised the writers 
"went there."
                                            
Adam
Wow. You are so right. That sound editor is going for an Emmy...
                                            
tdciago
I don't care how many men he killed in Okinawa.  I'll never forgive
him for abandoning his dog.


As much as I'm disgusted by all the drinking, I had to laugh at
Roger's remark: "You know how you get over something like that? You
drink!"


Don follows in Roger's footsteps; Peggy follows in Don's footsteps.  I
hope it's not too late for her.  I don't want the series to end with
Peggy waking up with some stranger, having blacked out completely
about the previous day.


Oh, that's who it was.  Thanks.


Yes, Joe saved himself for the pantyhose commercial.  But according to
Wikipedia, the gorilla was actually in the ad for American Tourister,
which Samsonite acquired in 1993:

"In the American Tourister 1970 television ad, the 'gorilla' (actually
a chimpanzee) pounds a bright-red American Tourister case, throws it
around a cage, jumps on it, and finally drags it out the back door. It
lasted 15 years, and is cited as an example of 'branding', even though
the branding has elided in the public mind from American Tourister to
Samsonite. The 1969 advertisement was by Roy Grace, who also made the
Alka-Seltzer ad 'Mama Mia! That's a spicy meatball!' campaign. Ad Age
names the gorilla ad one of the top one hundred advertising campaigns
of the 20th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsonite

I liked how the show writers came up with logical possibilities for
the ad campaign.  I didn't know that Samsonite really *is* a mineral
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsonite_(mineral) ).  The Wikipedia
article on Samsonite also says the company didn't officially call
itself that until 1966:

"It was started in Denver, Colorado, USA in 1910 by Jesse Shwayder, as
the Shwayder Trunk Manufacturing Company. Shwayder named one of his
initial cases 'Samson', after the Biblical strongman, and began using
the trademark Samsonite in 1941. The company changed its name to
Samsonite in 1966."


They're bonding over shared secrets.
                                            
Adam
What would you be trying to forget, running over someone and killing him
whilst driving drunk, or having wasted an evening listening to two newly
sober assholes trying to outdo each other with self righteousness?


I remember the chimpanzee ad from when I was a kid. No idea Peggy
thunk it up!
                                            
MDuPreetheworldcomsniptoreply
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:: I am glad Ducky made Don say "Uncle" with his "I killed 17 men on
:: Okinawa!" resume!
:
: I don't care how many men he killed in Okinawa.  I'll never forgive
: him for abandoning his dog.

Heh.  I don't think Don cares all that much either.  I just hope that
the meaningless "uncle" means that Duck will have reached a point of
satisfaction in his ongoing resentment of Don and will henceforth stop
trying to poach Don's minions and bed Peggy.  Duck was the worst hiring
decision we've seen Don make, and that includes "Roger's idiot."


:: Roger in denial along with Don; Don even got Peggy drinking more
:: than.
:
: Don follows in Roger's footsteps; Peggy follows in Don's footsteps.  I
: hope it's not too late for her.  I don't want the series to end with
: Peggy waking up with some stranger, having blacked out completely
: about the previous day.

I get the distinct impression that Don and Roger are supposed to
represent the recent past.  Peggy and Pete are the future.  While Pete 
seems to be old-fashioned in some respects, in other respects he
doesn't seem to have the same self-destructive habits of his seniors. 
He doesn't drink that much that often.  He doesn't smoke.  After a few
lapses, he seemed to re-devote himself to his wife.  When Peggy finally
decides it's time to stop emulating her boss, she may ditch the bad
personal habits too.

-Micky
                                            
Ronnie
Wow...that was shown for *15 years*?

I wonder how many years "Let's get Mikey!/Yeah, he won't eat it -- he 
hates everything" was shown. That seemed to run forever.
                                            
Barry
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Wikipedia says it ran more than 12 years starting in 1972.
                                            
tomcervo
They're pikers next to Mr. Whipple.
                                            
EGK
Or the Maytag repairman.
                                            
Ronnie
But those weren't the exact same commercial.
                                            
pacmankoshdhisorg
The Tootsie Pop owl has been around forever, and the commercial has been
edited to make it shorter, but it's still the same source material.

Don forgot somebody. Anna wasn't the only person who really knew him.
Betty has known everything for a year or two. Anna was just the only one
who knew and forgave him.
                                            
Adam
Betty doesn't have an empathetic bone in her body. Mrs. Draper liked Don
for who he was.
                                            
Ronnie
That still gets shown? I can't recall seeing that in ages.



Thanks for the fill-in. :)
                                            
Adam
I recall it only as a commercial during kids's tv, never prime time.

Also, I've never been sure if Tootsie candies were a national brand.
                                            
Ian
Uh, no - Betty doesn't know Don at all. Why? Because Betty's not
interested in knowing. Betty was only interested in her idealized
version of what she imagined Don was.

Betty knows Don's "secret", but she doesn't know him at all.


Ian  (Oh, and Betty is a *HAG*!!  ;>  )
                                            
Hunter
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I agree.
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That I disagree with. She is very flawed, on the edge of abusive but
Don did her wrong by doing that. Their relationship was based on a lie
he told. 

And physcally Betty is very beautiful even though I don't find her
that attractive and I am not talking about her personality, just sheer
looks. I prefer Peggy Joan and Faye.
                                            
tomcervo
How long before you noticed the resemblance to Angie Dickinson? It'll
get more obvious when she gets a mid 60's do.


                                            
Professor
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And well before her time, too.

Right now, with Anna's death (and largely because of it), Peggy knows
Don better than anyone else living.  I don't think anyone has ever seen
Don cry, much less sob, not even Betty.  (I don't think he got more
than teary during the big reveal scene with Betty.)  Other people know
the secret -- Cooper, Campbell, presumably Sterling -- but they don't
know Dick.  Heh.

It's interesting that the waitress Don picked up during his blackout
called him Dick.  (Also interesting that she was played by the gal from
Joan of Arcadia, the one who played the brother's sort-of girlfriend. 
I didn't recognize her.  The resemblance to Anna was there, though.)
                                            
MDuPreetheworldcomsniptoreply
: I don't think anyone [else] has ever seen Don cry, much less sob, not
: even Betty.  (I don't think he got more than teary during the big
: reveal scene with Betty.)

Don did break down and cry in front of Betty when he told her who Adam
was and what became of him.  It was the only time in the confession that
Betty felt sorry for him (or more likely, for Adam).

-Micky
                                            
Ian
Are you sure about Sterling? I was wondering this just the other day,
and I concluded that Sterling (still) doesn't know Don's secret. Right
now, I think only Betty, Campbell, Cooper, and the late Anna (and her
sister?...) know the truth.
                                            
Professor
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I'm not sure about Sterling, no.  I'd presumed Cooper had told him, or
Campbell had, but you've changed my mind for me.  Sterling would have
babbled about it long since, and everyone would know.

I'm pretty sure Anna's sister knows, though, as does her niece.
                                            
MDuPreetheworldcomsniptoreply
: I'm pretty sure Anna's sister knows, though, as does her niece.

The niece, at the very least, would have to know a sketch of the story,
since she left a message for a man with her dead uncle's name, yet still
knew that she had the right man.  It doesn't mean that the sister
necessarily knows as well.

-Micky
                                            
Hunter
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I believe Campbell didn't tell anyone but I think he did tell Bert
Cooper, but if I rember correctly to Peter's surprise Bert blew it off
as something that didn't matter. Of course now that we know that Bert
doesn't have any testicles it could be guessed that he appreciates how
people are entitled to their secrets LOL!!!  :-D
                                            
Alane
Wouldn't they have to know in order to ask for the right person when they
called his office? Imagine how confused his secretary really would be if
they asked for Dick Whitman.

I can't remember - did it come up that Dick basically screwed Anna out 
of her
benefits as the widow of a serviceman killed in the war? I know he made it
up to her later on. But she was an abandoned wife until she caught up 
with him
and found out what was going on. Her sister may hold all of that early 
baggage
against him.

Alane
                                            
Adam
Fortunately, she doesn't need the truth to resent Don, just what she
imagines about him corrupting her sister's morals. I wonder if the
sister liked her real brother-in-law.
                                            
Adam
Never mind. I see elsewhere in the thread that Mickey reminded us of
a plot point I had forgotten.
                                            
tomcervo
Anna knew all that, and probably told Stephanie, who probably doesn't
give a damn about the rest after she saw the deep friendship between
Anna  and Don.


She thought her husband had abandoned her upon coming home from Korea.
She wasn't too upset to know he was dead.


He did what she asked, not interfering with Anna's care. He kept Anna
financially comfortable. Her daughter likes him and she's not going to
be happy if Mom gives him grief.
                                            
MDuPreetheworldcomsniptoreply
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:: I can't remember - did it come up that Dick basically screwed Anna
:: out of her benefits as the widow of a serviceman killed in the war?

I brought it up back at the time, but in the story, no, all they said
was that Dick was going to take care of Anna financially once she
cornered him at the used car lot and wouldn't let him weasel away.

To be fair, a rent-free house for life and probably a stipend as well
are a lot more than what the Veterans Administration would have given
her, but if Anna hadn't hunted Dick down, she would have been screwed.

:: I know he made it up to her later on. But she was an abandoned wife
:: until she caught up with him and found out what was going on.
:
: She thought her husband had abandoned her upon coming home from Korea.

Without even the closure of a divorce.

: She wasn't too upset to know he was dead.

Anna said that the real Don had wanted to marry her sister, who
supposedly looked just like Anna, but had two good legs.  This made it
easier for the audience to dismiss the real Don as unsympathetic.


:: Her sister may hold all of that early baggage against him.

Probably.  I do.  Anna did have to do a lot of hunting to track Dick
down, all the while thinking that the real Don had just refused to go
back to her or even acknowledge her as a human being.  After Dick
finally confessed, Anna seemed to be more pissed off over the fact that
the real Don had never mentioned to Dick that he was married.


: He did what [the sister] asked, not interfering with Anna's care.

That's later, though.  The sister probably holds a lot of old suspicion
and disapproval against Dick.  Dick did get Anna to conspire with him to
commit fraud.

: He kept Anna financially comfortable. Her daughter likes him and she's
: not going to be happy if Mom gives him grief.

Now that Anna's dead, the sister would probably be concerned with Dick
only if he tried to get involved with her daughter.

-Micky
                                            
Adam
I don't recall feeling anything for the guy as the character was a red
shirt, an empty vessel. We weren't going to get to know his character. It
was a plot device as to why his widow was willing to go along with the
deception: They didn't love each other.



I'd remind you for the umpteenth time that it's fiction, but it's pointless.

If anything, the sister resented her real brother-in-law for both jilting
her and, adding insult to injury, marrying her sister so he never went
away. Now that you've reminded me of this plot from a past episode, it
seems logical that the basis of her resentment for Don was transferred from
her resentment of the real Don for sins committed against her.


Perhaps that's yet another plot device to make Don look more sympathetic
to viewers. Would it have mattered to a man as desperate as Don to
escape his past? I think not.



It's absolutely clear that this is a critical point WITH YOU and that
the sister is highly unlikely to give fuck-all about that even if she knew.
We know that she hates Don for assumptions that she made about him to begin
with and any truth she knows or would subsequently learn would merely
justify in her own mind her preconceived notions. Don cannot disappoint her
given that she never gave him a chance in the first place!

C'mon. There's no way to sympathize with the sister (even if we don't
excuse her vile behavior), for even if she knew the entire truth, her
sister was weeks away from dying and none of it was important at that
moment. Again, the sister is a cardboard character set up as a villain.
Yes, I'm wasting my breath.



I could have sworn the daughter was actually a consenting adult. We saw
the daughter reject drunken Don once. So if she takes Don to her bed,
later, well, even you can't say she hasn't made a fully informed decision.

Personally, I hope it doesn't happen, not because I'm making a moral
judgment about a woman Don should treat as a niece and not as a potential
sex partner, but because it's predictible and won't be entertaining. I'd
find it more interesting if Don makes her his confidante and true friend,
although the relationship would be rather different than with Anna.

And I'd like to not see the sister again as she's such a cardboard character.
                                            
John
I thought I recall Don (then Dick) taking Dick's dogtags. But did he sub 
in his own? If not, Dick's body would have been ID'ed through dental, 
and Anna would have received her widow's benefits.

As to Roger knowing, I bet he does, but so far he's had no reason to 
think about bringing it up, has he?
                                            
MDuPreetheworldcomsniptoreply
: I thought I recall Don (then Dick) taking Dick's dogtags. But did he
: sub in his own?

Yes, very deliberately, despite being wounded himself at the time.  To
Anna and Betty, Don represented himself as the passive victim of a
mistake on the part of the U.S. Army.  I.e., they made the mistake, and
he just said nothing to correct their misapprehension.  The truth is
that once Dick ascertained that the real Don was dead (Dick's not a
sociopath; he wouldn't kill the guy to change places with him), he
quickly seized the opportunity to swap dogtags with the real Don even
though Dick was in a lot of pain at the time.

Rather than switch to yet a third identity once back in the States, Dick
kept Don's identity with no thought as to whether the real Don had left
any family behind.  Geez, what if he had had kids?  Living parents? 
Living siblings?

-Micky
                                            
Adam
This is a triviality. For the purpose of the identity theft, it doesn't
make a damn bit of difference when the identity change was made, in the
foxhole or when Army personnel made the wrong assumption and he was fully
cognizant that an error of identitification had been made. You're talking
about a difference of days, meaningless in the lives of those who knew
or were related to the real Don Draper.

It doesn't reveal anything else about Don. It's a pattern of behavior. We
know he's ashamed. Everybody who has ever met him and has more than a
surface impression of him knows he's ashamed. He lied about something
inconsequential to Don's widow, which didn't change who he was in her
eyes in any way.
                                            
Alane
He completely took Don's identity. He switched dog tags. He got the medal.
He got the war hero status. He got Don's name. The only thing that the
real Don got was a burial by Dick's family.

On Roger, I don't think he knows. He would have brought it up during that
time he and Don were on the outs if he knew.

Alane
                                            
verysorrynocandocom
I would figure that if Cooper knows then Sterling II also knows.  It's
a fairly loaded situation for the firm.  I could see them having a
quiet private chat about it.

Then again, you figure Sterling would have trotted it out already on
the several occasions he's been really down on Don.

PsS
                                            
MDuPreetheworldcomsniptoreply
(Pinstripe Sniper) writes:



::: Other people know [Don's] secret -- Cooper, Campbell ...

Cooper and Campbell know that Don has another identity, but not why or
how he came by it.  Pete's come the closest to guessing what happened in
Korea, but he doesn't know.  Don wasn't 100% truthful to Betty about how
the identity switch took place in Korea, and we never heard him be 100%
truthful about it to Anna.

::: ... presumably Sterling -- but they don't know Dick.

I don't think that self-made man Burt would give that nugget of
information up to Roger Silverspoon.  After the dressing down Pete got
over the issue from Burt, I don't think Pete would have breathed a word
of it to anyone at SC.  In the new firm, Pete's a partner, and therefore
has a vested interest in keeping Draper's reputation polished.


:: Are you sure about Sterling? I was wondering this just the other day,
:: and I concluded that Sterling (still) doesn't know Don's secret.
:: Right now, I think only Betty, Campbell, Cooper, and the late Anna
:: (and her sister?...) know the truth.
:
: I would figure that if Cooper knows then Sterling II also knows.  It's
: a fairly loaded situation for the firm.  I could see them having a
: quiet private chat about it.
:
: Then again, you figure Sterling would have trotted it out already on
: the several occasions he's been really down on Don.

Exactly.  As we've heard both recently and in past seasons, Roger puts
enormous store in the honor of being a war veteran.  We know he holds it
against Pete that Pete never served at all.  Upon learning that Don
Draper might be a wartime deserter, Roger might shun Don almost as much
as he did the Japanese.

At the start of this season, Roger and Don were arguing over Don's
crummy _Ad Age_ interview, and Roger said to Don, "Who knows who you
are?"  Roger's been Don's drinking buddy for a decade now, and Roger
still knows nothing about Don's real pre-fur-company background, except
that Roger correctly guessed that Don grew up on a farm.

-Micky
                                            
Adam
Gah! You never stop resenting Don on trivialities. What did he say to either
woman that was entirely misleading? It's not like he killed the original
Don Draper to impersonate him.